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posted on 11-3-2003 at 10:13 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Cheese.......

Cheese......What is the real meaning?
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posted on 3-21-2004 at 05:37 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
poser:

"Dude, I want the good stuff, and not this cheese you're trying to hand me"

irritation:

"Not being able to link to the proper definition of 'props' really cheesed me."

Wisconsin:

Shut up and hand me the cheese curds.

Oops, I go now.

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posted on 4-17-2004 at 12:00 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
There was a tremdous little filler note in the "New Yorker" magazine (mabye 15 or 20 years ago ! LOL) that I wish I had saved. It detailed the various verbal expressions that photographers were accustomed to using -- they would have the person being photographed say certain words or combinations of words in order to produce very specific effects on the facial expression of the subject.

Of course, "Say CHEESE !" is a familiar expression that we hear during picture taking. But we use it more to mean something like "Smile ! I'm taking your picture" rather than as a way to effect certain muscles in the face.

Does anybody know of a way to retrieve this blurb from "The New Yorker" ? Or, perhaps, do you have a list of the words formerly in common use by portrait photographers ?

Thx for your help,
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posted on 4-17-2004 at 01:16 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Googling is always good for starters.

Led to three sites: www.wantedbooks.com, www.vintagemagazines.com, and www.newyorker.com. Of these, the New Yorker site itself would be the best bet. Perhaps it's possible to identify the specific issue there. Once you know the issue you want, eBay is a possibility as are sites associated with collectibles.

I'll poke around a bit more.

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posted on 4-17-2004 at 02:34 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I've tried locating the photographers' terms via searches in the past. Seeing the "cheese" inquiry, I was reminded that I never did find the item I was looking for and it occurred to me to post the question here. Now that you mention poking around a little bit, I might just try some photograph or history of photography or portrait photography, etc. The words that would elicit certain facial expression were, apparently, standard tools of the trade in times gone by.

Thanks for your help.

If we ever find that list of words, make sure to try them on yourself and your friends -- they really do work, and it's fun to "try them on" -- provides a bit of social merriement.

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posted on 4-17-2004 at 08:36 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Why Photographers Say, "Say Cheese!"

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Why Photographers Say, "Say Cheese!"

When taking a picture, all photographers -- from the most bumbling amateur to the gadget-necked professional ? before depressing the shutter rattle off that oft-heard phrase, "Say cheese!" Whence comes this cryptic locution? Why does it have such a universal appeal? Erudite scholars may interject at this juncture that the word "cheese" (in the English language, in any case) obliges the speaker to form his or her mouth in such a configuration that resembles a smile, yet would not several scores of other -- and happier -- words do just as well? Why not "breeze" or "ease" or perhaps "jubilees"? For an ethnic touch, why not remind them of the tasty Italian bread, "Puglise"? Amongst francophiles, the elegant "fleur-de-lis" could work. Or, for a more dignified air, perhaps "if you please" would do; English teachers might enjoy "apostrophes."

Why cheese, a delicious dish yet one that often leaves a rancid aftertaste? Surely one would not wish to remind subjects of this just before taking a picture? One might as well say "antifreeze." To uncover the mystery of cheese and photographs, one must delve back into the early days of photography?.

Long ago, in the camera's infancy, people never smiled in photographs. Subjects posed without expression, with blank, empty faces reminiscent of early Greek statues. Indeed, for centuries artists painted portraits in this stoic style -- was not Leonardo's depiction of the half-smiling Mona Lisa shocking in its time? This custom continued for many years, as young and old alike projected their austere visages for posterity.

One somber day in 1912, however, the wealthy undergarment tycoon Henry D. Brassier of New York posed for a formal portrait with his family for prominent local photographer Entfield Flimsham, ignorant as to the future significance of this event in the history of photography. Just as the rather portly Flimsham was about to snap the picture, he emitted such an enormous fart that Henry's wife, Anna-Magdelena Katrina Claire-Marie, giggled, as did the Brassier children. Even the stodgy Henry could hardly hold his solemn poker face throughout the exposure. Thinking the shot was ruined, Flimsham almost failed to develop it, yet did so nevertheless. Once developed, he was astonished at how wonderful it looked -- the family (with the notable exception of Mr. Brassier) looked happy! He rushed to his colleagues with the photograph, and all were astounded by the technique.

Soon, photographers across the country attempted to induce a laugh from their subjects. Many methods were tried, but none found as much success as the original approach. Sadly, even eating refried beans by the gallon cannot induce flatulence on demand, so photographers resorted to mentioning the original story. For several years, camera subjects would be told "did you hear the one about the photographer that cut the cheese"? just prior to the snapping of a shot, which almost never failed to get a laugh.

Over the years, photographers began to shorten the reference, saying only "the one about cutting the cheese," and still later merely "cut the cheese." Eventually, they arrived at the short "cheese" of today, which conveniently causes the aforementioned smile-like mouth position, a remarkable serendipity of function following form. Ever since, photographers have implored their subjects to say the word "cheese," in a now-forgotten reference to wind broken nearly a century ago. And so, the fermented dairy product we know as cheese became inexorably linked to the taking of photographs, as it remains to this day.

Thus edified, we are now free to explore the mystery of the female obsession with closed toilet seats and its relation to the origin of the expression "eau de toilette." . . .

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A cheese factoid from the ever-facinating Ravinder Pamanani: "In China, or at least the region around Beijing, they say: 'chee-eh-ze' (approximately). The pinyin might be qieze. I was told they say this because of its similarity to the English word cheese, but that in Mandarin, it means 'eggplant.'"

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posted on 4-17-2004 at 09:10 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Most interesting story for a couple of reasons. It seems to run counter to the gist of the item I remeber from "The New Yorker" -- huh. Thanks for posting that.

Now I'm even more curious about the words. lol

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posted on 4-17-2004 at 09:25 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I might never know.

This is a copy/paste from "The New Yorker" site :

At this time, we do not have a searchable index to past issues available for public use. New Yorker material is listed in the Readers' Guide to Periodical Literature, although not comprehensively, and, as of December, 2000, is available on Lexis Nexis.

But I'm going to keep looking, lol.

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posted on 6-19-2004 at 02:31 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
CHEESE ---as in who cut the Cheese.
I just had to , couldn't help it. :)






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posted on 6-24-2004 at 04:18 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Remember "The Farmer in the Dell"?

The previous post reminds us why "The cheese stands alone."
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posted on 8-8-2004 at 04:36 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Cheese it, guys. It's the cops.
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posted on 10-16-2005 at 01:03 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
all very interesting posts, thank you

i still am looking for the list of many, varied words photographers used to use that appeared in the New Yorker

very hard to find

Jerry

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posted on 10-16-2005 at 01:05 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
ooops forgot to hit the button to get emails about any additional posts in this thread

there's no button for that after you compose your reply

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